Tom Sutcliffe on Independent Voices on the TV show everyone's talking about!
Was it actually funny, why was it so divisive, and what does this all mean?
Blah blah blah... snore!
PS Today's Telegraph proposes a new conspiracy theory;
"On first viewing I couldn’t understand why, in the year 2013, two gay men – Gary Janetti and Mark Ravenhill – would create a comedy about gay men who conform to almost every homophobic stereotype: bitchy, vain, melodramatic, lecherous, rude, sulky...
"Then it struck me. Vicious was a wind-up, its aim to enrage
bilious
homophobes by rubbing their faces in their own prejudices. “There!
See!” the
bilious homophobes would splutter. “Homosexuals are every bit as seedy
and
unpleasant as I thought! God, they make me so angry, I could… Arrrgh!
My
chest! Call 999! I’m having a heart attack!”
"I suppose there is an alternative possibility, namely that Vicious
is
just a load of hackneyed old rubbish. But I’m sure that can't be it."
Fagburn wonders how many Telegraph readers are in the "bilious homophobes" camp?
And lest people think I'm obsessed with this show I'll leave the last word to their Gerard O'Donovan.
Fagburn wonders how many Telegraph readers are in the "bilious homophobes" camp?
And lest people think I'm obsessed with this show I'll leave the last word to their Gerard O'Donovan.
"Last week’s opening episode of ITV’s much trumpeted Vicious – a
camp-as-custard comedy about two lovably acid-tongued old queens,
Freddie
(Ian McKellen) and Stuart (Derek Jacobi), living out their twilight
years in
mutually vitriolic bliss – rather divided critical opinion. Mostly, it
must
be said, between whether it was just plain awful or unforgivably
abysmal."
Update: Seems I spoke too soon.
The show has another fan - Garry Bushell in the Daily Star!
"Proper stars in an orgy of put-downs – what’s not to like?"
Update: Seems I spoke too soon.
The show has another fan - Garry Bushell in the Daily Star!
"Proper stars in an orgy of put-downs – what’s not to like?"
But - quicker than you can say "Some of my best mates are poofs" - Gazza notes; "But it’s hard to keep
up with PC thinking on these vital matters.
"For decades we were told that Mr Humphries was an
insulting caricature, yet now ITV, the gayest of all networks, has
decided he’s funny again. Newsflash: he always was."
PS Having now endured watching Vicious all the way through, here's my two cents:
If they got in a decent script editor, who could start by cutting half the "How old?!!" lines, and if Ian and Derek toned down the hammy over-acting - how can two great gay actors make "acting gay" look so laboured? - and if they lost the laughter track, which only serves to over-emphasise the lamer gags, it might have been just about bearable.
Just about.
PS Having now endured watching Vicious all the way through, here's my two cents:
If they got in a decent script editor, who could start by cutting half the "How old?!!" lines, and if Ian and Derek toned down the hammy over-acting - how can two great gay actors make "acting gay" look so laboured? - and if they lost the laughter track, which only serves to over-emphasise the lamer gags, it might have been just about bearable.
Just about.
Wow, you spend a week trashing it without having seen it and then when you finally watch it... you don't like it???
ReplyDeleteWell, that's come as quite a shock, I must say...
Lighten up, dear.
It's a bit sad to see you agreeing with a bunch of humourless snobs.
Have you seen The Job Lot, yet?
They seem to love that. Let's all have a chuckle at some unsubtle gags about moronic unemployed people.
Snobs. :)
Interesting how prescient my "review" of the trailer teaser clip seems now...
Delete"Obviously it would be wrong and unfair to judge this series on a thirty second clip but this doesn't bode well, does it?
Is it the creaking "gags", the luvvies shouting like they're in rep, or maybe it's just the audience - presumably real - howling and clapping like drunken chimpanzees?"
http://www.fagburn.com/2013/04/vicious-oh-my-dear-my-old-dears.html
Several TV critics did double reviews of Vicious and The Job Lot, and said the latter was pretty bad, too.
Not having seen it yet I couldn't possibly comment! :)
"Prescient"???
DeleteOh, how pompous. If you mean how your pre-judgment and week-long trashing of a show before having watched it - an odd thing, which you don't seem to question - turned out to be "right", ie. you didn't like it when you finally got round to watching it, then yes you must be some kind of psychic.
And "several TV critics" also quite liked Vicious, even more so this week. But it's odd how the ones who went out of their way to criticise the show in objective terms, "I didn't laugh so how can it be funny to anyone" or the ones who went on ad nauseum about the "datedness" of it or the "stereotypes" also seemed to love The Job Lot, for it's subtlety (ha!) and its realism (it's a '70s comedy in modern drag).
There isn't a single element of truth in The Job Lot, the acting is appalling while having the pretense of realism; whereas the acting in Vicious may be big and theatrical but it works and I still think it's subversive (not so much the writing but in the making).
I just wish you could see that and if you don't find it funny at least appreciate its qualities and that it may be funny to a great many people (you're still doing the same shitty old thing by placing significance in Bushell's praise and you know it - putting his picture there is the icing on the shitty cake - you really should be a tabloid journalist, you know).
:p
xxx
Also, you didn't have to wait for the youtube upload, the show is put up on ITV's site to watch again pretty soon after broadcast...
ReplyDeleteEpisode 2
I could, if I didn't have a crappy old computer that now can't play programmes on the ITV site, yes.
DeleteDo you want to buy me a new one?
Buy a sense of humour instead.
DeleteCaitlin Moran likes it, too.
ReplyDeleteMake of that what you will!
Do you mean Caitlin "I REALLY LOVE THE GAYS ME!" Moran?
DeleteHaha, the very same. :P
DeleteIt was in The Times, though.
Make of that what you will!
It says something that the only good reviews were in The Times, the Radio Times, the Mirror, the Metro, the Mail, the Guardian the Star and The Scotsman.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll shut up about it now...
x
After I've posted episode two on youtube...
ReplyDeletehere