What next; 'Is gay men in football/sport/the City/the army/Hollywood/Hip-hop/Rap etc etc the last closet/taboo?'*
(There seems to be a homophobic heteronormative subtext here; these are considered "stories" because they appear incongruous - plus why can't gay men do more, you know, "straight guy stuff"?)
PS Other great straight media gay clichés... Grindr! Two (boring) pieces on Guardian online in two days!
* Cometh the hour, cometh the bore - Independent Voices have run yet another piece on homophobia in football. I'm really looking forward to not reading this.
Update: And Britain's second most famous gay dads, the Drewitt-Barlows, threaten to sue the Church of England cause it won't gaymarry them. Not sure if this is just a publicity stunt. Anyway, it's really pissed off the Christian Institute - so GOOD!
Update2: Oh my giddy aunts! The Times has got a "heartwarming" feature about two gay dads getting gaymarried today, too. They also appear to be Britain's poshest gaylords. Unsurprisingly.
And finally, note The Guardian has also put #losetheladsmags on the front cover - I despair at wet liberals.
Update: The Telegraph join in the celebrations, but stress one of the gay dads is a famous cookery writer, Yotam Ottolenghi, and the baby's conception "cost" "at least" $100,000 - the price of everything and the value of nothing etc. And still some say gay male parenting is pretty much the preserve of the rich...
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What is the term " gay dad " actually saying - I want to live a totally heterosexual lifestyle apart from the tiny problem that I'm gay and I have no sexual interest in women but I'm perfectly happy to use their wombs when it suits me.
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily true-although I find the notion of two gay men deliberately cutting a child's mother out of its life objectionable-by definition, a gay couple cannot be good parents because they are deliberately and with forethought denying a child an opposite sex parent. Not saying the kid won't be cared for; just how selfish do you have to be to do that?
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If a gay man wants to co-parent with a woman, why not? Why not just be really good friends and make the decision to raise a child?
So I guess the Charlie Condou's of this world are fine by me but not so much the Elton John's.
In both cases the child seems to be a commodity , fitted around the parents' needs.
DeleteAre you gay, Colin? I'm a straight female who just happens to like fagburn's wit. I don't know, really, at least the former is trying to give a child the opportunity of a mother and father. I don't buy that two men can give a child the same things that a man and a woman does. It's a gender thing more than a sexuality thing; I dare say a gay man and a lesbian bringing up a child is fine by me. Although, I guess they'd have to have an open marriage or something.
ReplyDeleteIf you are gay, then it's refreshing to hear that not all gay men think their needs come first and a child should have at least have the chance to a mother and father. Please no red herrings about crap straight parents...I know they exist.
Yes I am gay and I agree with you - there's too much talk these days of the " right " to have a child but that applies to straight couples and test tube babies as well ! I'm fully in support of gay marriage but children as well seems a bit too far for me . It would be interesting to know what Fagburn/Richard thinks but he's keeping quiet on this one.
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Well yes it does apply to straight couples too. But just because they're selfish, doesn't mean that gay couples can't be selfish, too.
DeleteI suppose we all have our limits as to gay rights; for example I am 100% in favour of gay sex being legal (that sounds so old-fashioned now), people doing whatever they like in private as consenting adults, nobody being sacked/ discriminated against in employment, same legal rights for gay couples-you get the drift.
Children, though, not sure. Although, I suppose I'm OK with a gay man being a guardian to a child; I'm not really in favour of two men/women adopting as a couple. But if a gay man and a lesbian want to bring up a child, well, that's just fine.
A chance should be for the child to have a mother and father and I do think it is selfish to deny this right.
I'd like to think that if I were gay, I'd have the child's father involved in my child's life.
People will no doubt say that there's no difference between two men and an opposite sex couple, but, if there's no difference and a man can provide the same as a women etc and no gender differences at all-why aren't we all bisexual? Clearly the lack of universal bisexuality supports the idea that male is different from female.
It's a balance between genuine rights and good sense, isn't it?
Nice to know that others agree because in real life I get shouted down for this! Thank you.
Does that cloud look like a map of the UK?
ReplyDeleteIt's like a Rorschach inkblot test.
DeleteI think it looks like a big cock.
I saw that in your picture of Nixon. :)
ReplyDeleteThoughts: That'll show that smart bastard.
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